The tiny house movement in the United States seems to get all of the attention, but there are people, groups, and advocates all around the world working to make tiny living possible. Enter Miranda and Jan from Tiny Living Alliance. The Tiny Living Alliance is working to make your relationship with builders more transparent and trustworthy through several tools and initiatives through their website. In this interview, we'll learn about what Tiny Living Alliance does, how they do it, and why Miranda and Jan started it in the first place.
In This Episode:
- What does the Tiny Living Alliance guarantee?
- Present work and future goals of the Tiny Living Alliance
- What “Buyer Protection” means for both builder and purchaser
- The Tiny House Movement around the world
- Miranda and Jan's tiny house motivation
- How sustainability and financing go hand-in-hand
- Tiny house communities and the elderly
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Miranda van Mensvoort 0:00
We want to have this big network of personal companies and with together with them create projects. And I think when we are standing strong together, we can make the whole tiny living industry more possible, transparent, but also more known.
Ethan Waldman 0:16
The tiny house movement in the United States seems to get all of the attention. But there are people, groups, and advocates all around the world working to make tiny living possible. Enter Miranda and Jan from Tiny Living Alliance. The Tiny Living Alliance is working to make your relationship with builders more transparent and trustworthy through several tools and initiatives through their website. In this interview, we'll learn about what Tiny Living Alliance does, how they do it, and why Miranda and Jan started it in the first place. I hope you stick around.
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Alright, I am here with Miranda and Jan from Tiny Living Alliance. The Tiny Living Alliance distinguishes reliably honest and transparent Tiny House companies from companies with less honest intentions. It's easy, you just look for the trust badge on the company's website or use the Check Before Select service. If something goes wrong, Tiny Living Alliance stands behind you to solve the problem. You never have to ask yourself again. Will my tiny house arrive in time? does it correspond to what I've ordered and what happens when it's damaged? The market for tiny living is growing enormously and Tiny Living Alliance helps to make it trustful, transparent and loyal. Miranda and Jan, welcome to the show.
Miranda van Mensvoort 2:42
Hi, thanks for having us.
Ethan Waldman 2:45
You're very welcome. Thank you for being here. So I know that I just explained a little bit when I read your bio about what the Tiny Living Alliance is, but could you could you give me the longer answer of you know, what is Tiny Living Alliance?
Of course, of course, we can give you a really long description of it, but I think a nice introduction would be really nice. But in the end, the Tiny Living Alliance is a nonprofit organization and it was actually formed in the in 2019
Ethan Waldman 3:18
So, the purpose of the organization is actually to support the tiny living movement in different kinds. So, for example, one project what we can tell you and rather Tiny Living Alliance helps with is the project of an Alternative Living for elderly people. We hope we can present this project on a Tiny Living Alliance website and maybe in another broadcast with you, we can also in another broadcast, we can also involve in other environmental production. So we have different types of project which we support actually, another project actually which we support is the Environmental Protection okay, that means we have private people who have forests to plan people who own actually a forest okay, that means all the donations which the Tiny Living Alliance get, we want to spend on trees to plant them in the forest in the private forest to that we also protect our and environmental but this is not the main goal of the Tiny Living Alliance okay. The main goal is actually to protect buyer and seller and offer them a full service for our members and our customers Okay, and this will service and also the buyer and the seller protection. In a few days. We will announce what it actually means. The first service of the Tiny Living Alliance also we will announce in the next couple of As the Buyer and Seller Protection, which the Tiny Living Alliance has right now in the program.
Ethan Waldman 5:07
Excellent. Okay. So how, how does the verification process that you do currently work? Because I see, you know, on your website, you have a whole list of verified builders. And sometimes when you go to their web pages you see the Tiny Living Alliance badge, can you can you explain how that all works?
Yeah, of course, of course, every tiny house company can apply for a membership. And the tiny house company have to agree some guarantees to the end customer. For example, each product and service has to has to be a clear description that goes for them to the reality, as well as the customers understand guarantee fully. So that means that all the companies who has the last page on the website, and then verified from the Tiny Living Alliance, they offer the end customer, all the process, the prices are really clear to no hidden costs, then a careful handling with all the personnel data. So if you don't want to have a newsletter, that if you wanted, your data should be deleted, then they offer this kind of service.
And also that you can get easy in contact with them that they are open and that you don't have a long holding line, for example, which you have sometimes in banks or in some other company. And of course, the implementation of it respects should also be done.
Ethan Waldman 6:42
So this is not all of them, actually. Because after a tiny after a tiny house company applied, we will set up a video meeting with them together, to get in touch with them to know a little bit more about the company and how they grew up a little bit around the story. Normally, we go to this kind of company, you visit them in person, but recruitment, it's not really possible right now. And in this time, in the in the meantime, the tiny house company has time to implement Advanced Search on her website to provide the end customer service of the Tiny Living Alliance, for example, the Buyer Protection, which I talked a little bit in preview, a little bit of the financing, which Tiny Living Alliance also support in the next couple of days. And to give all the customers the end customer from the tiny house manufacturer, we also have support from the VPS we stay behind them, we stay behind the end customer and also behind the members.
Ethan Waldman 7:55
And but this is also not all what we do to be a verified member, because in the meantime, the bodies will check the tiny house company in the backbone continues to it means all the companies who apply it for a membership. Other companies be which work together with them. They will check the companies all the time all the time.
Ethan Waldman 8:23
Wow. Okay. How long have you been has the Tiny Living Alliance been doing this verification work?
Miranda van Mensvoort 8:31
So the Tiny Living Alliance actually started in 2019. And to tell the whole story, we have to go a bit more further back.
Ethan Waldman 8:42
Miranda van Mensvoort 8:43
So we both have been living in a tiny house in the Netherlands for about five years now. And yeah, back then we were looking for a tiny house. And we got in contact with Yeah, we searched of course in the internet for lots of tiny house builders. And we got in contact with one. And we thought this person was really, yeah, first word he would say. But yeah, during the process, we came across some problems. And yeah, so I don't want to tell you the whole story. But in the end, we've got a tiny house, and we are living living in it very happy. But we did learn a lot from this and from the whole process, and the Tiny Living Alliance actually started when we were traveling and came across other people. which one had the same have the same mindset as us. So also people that are not much materialistic and will also like to experience life more than buy a big house, a big car and everything. So we yeah, we got in contact with them. And we came up with the same we yeah, we came up with the same stories. Let's say this. And from from this point. We Yeah, we came up together with the concept of the Tiny Living Alliance that we want to have yeah network or an alliance to select the trusted builders between the ones people have a bad experience with.
Ethan Waldman 10:11
I can imagine that it would be, you know, could be difficult to go from having this idea to actually convincing companies to apply and to, to want to be a part of it. And just to, to gain people's trust, how what was that process like?
I have to say at the beginning, when we when we come back actually after our traveling, and also with the world information, which we got from other people, and also other people from around the world. And all this the advice quite really hard for us to build up to set up form alliance at Tiny Living Alliance, because I have a look in the in the beginning we have to our own some investors for example, who want to put us human gives us the money to let everything grow because every every service by the Tiny Living Alliance provide right now it has also money as we have also to talk about the fact of the price, but have a look Tiny Living Alliance, the membership is free to someone has to sponsoring it, someone has to invest in a Tiny Living Alliance, someone has to trust in this kind in this idea, which we created there. So after a while, we found really nice even invest in this kind of idea. So we build up the Tiny Living Alliance. And right now we work with quite a few people. It's also another countries together with a web developer, even with a marketing team that edits everything. Yeah, really nice and close together. So that is getting a round shape for everyone power members for the end customers. And also that we bring that movement a little bit broader, which is really nice, because we need it, we need to bring the movement. And of course, you find members, they are old men for such a new thing, because lots of companies to them, they are quite busy with building tiny houses, they don't have interest in this, or they are really conservative, I have really bad votes and say, oh, there's something new, I don't want to be a member. It is really hard, I have to say to get members in them. But after a while, I have to say right now we got quite a few more members and more members that a Tiny Living Alliance is growing, but also the banks of the investors and also of the team which stays behind a Tiny Living Alliance. And also with all the connection, which the Tiny Living Alliance have right now. For example, with this, my son with Guillaum, for example, with Betsy from America, it's also a really nice thing to make this everything happened, and to show the end customer that they actually can choose between trustworthy and transparent companies so that they have something to see, okay, do I can go to this company, when I go to this company, I get this service from the Tiny Living Alliance, I get support, I get the Buyer Protection, maybe also financing, and so on. And I think the Tiny Living Alliance is right now just at the beginning, and they are really looking over to the future to make more and more. Yeah, better for the whole movement.
Ethan Waldman 13:55
Tiny House moving with the world, tiny living movement.
Ethan Waldman 14:00
So when somebody works with a builder, who is a member of the Tiny Living Alliance, does Tiny Living Alliance ensure that the tiny house is being built to any specific standards? Or is that still between the client and the in the builder?
No, we have to say I was tiny living earlier and as we give all the members, they have the possibility to send us certain standards to which they all belong, have following for the whole building project. But of course, we have also to look at it and say that we right now it is not possible to ensure that the tiny house will build to a certain standard because no one can check the whole building process 24 hours
Ethan Waldman 14:48
and this is also effect, which we have to trust. But I think that it's not actually the point because a trustworthy and transparent company With follow a certain standard, and in case something goes wrong, they can contact the support team of the tiny living aliens, and we protect them. And also, we protect other people for this kind of company.
Ethan Waldman 15:14
Yeah, and I, you know, I've just heard so many examples of people, just from from small to large problems, like some major problems like builder going out of business and not finishing the house, you know, that'd be a big huge problem. But all the way down to just small things like the builder didn't do the plumbing the way that they said they would, or or just certain things are not quite what the customer expected. How, how does Tiny Living Alliance handle complaints like that.
And the first step, I have to say, with the new service of the Tiny Living Alliance with the Buyer Protection, so that means the Tiny Living Alliance gives the possibility to the end customer, and also to one of our members to protect them to each other. That means if something is going wrong, or the end customer says, for example, the plumping, I don't want it like this, because we talked about in a different way like I wanted, for example, then we protect the buyer, and also the member from us. And the Buyer Protection, we will announce, actually, in the next couple of days on our website, how this verbs and why they have find a solution, they have to find a solution. Otherwise, it doesn't make really can't go further, if something is going wrong, then no one gives the money and no one has the money anymore to and they have to find a solution. And the Buyer Protection is something which the Tiny Living Alliance is really proud. And we work also with other companies with all the partners and sponsors together to make this happen, that this what you set right now is not possible anymore. And this is actually something which we really want to announce in a couple of days. Because right now we are our web developer team, do something with make everything right and also a little bit in the background, all the connection has to be verified and fixed. But we have a quite nice solution. And but in the end, I have also to say if someone complains about the company, or just the end customer comes to the Tiny Living Alliance, and gives a complaint, but in the end, every complaint is different. As well as every customer remember to in this case, the end customer use, actually what I said right now our production service. So and this is something Yeah, came across I have to say that we can announce in a couple of days.
Ethan Waldman 18:04
That's really exciting. Well I you know, I look forward to hearing you're seeing the announcement and I will you know by the time this podcast episode actually comes out on the feed the announcement will have already gone live so you know people can can visit tinylivingalliance.com to learn more because it will it will already have come out if it's coming out in the next couple of days.
It's good knowledge it really is and maybe it's also quite interesting when we announce this Buyer Protection financing or another service which we right now prepare for the end customer and for the members maybe it would be also quite house add to introduce them also overview of if another podcast today or a little bit more involved in
Ethan Waldman 18:56
Yeah, absolutely. If you know if it if it makes sense to do another episode then then we we definitely can. Can you... You talked a little bit about this before just how much something like this is needed to help the tiny house movement grow. You know, how do you see the Tiny Living Alliance helping the tiny house movement grow around the world because it's really been very, you know, there's been a lot of activity in the United States. But I know that people in the rest of the world in Europe, Canada, South America all around the world, Australia has especially, you know, also want to live tiny but are finding you were builders, fewer options for workshops. Just it's it's just not there yet. So how do you see Tiny Living Alliance, you know, help the tiny house movement grow?
Miranda van Mensvoort 19:48
Well, I think there's actually two parts of the tiny living area and so the first part is the most important part that there's an alliance with tiny house factories that are trustful and transparent. And if you want to buy a tiny house, you go to the tiny house movement, which has companies, Tiny House companies as members and there you can find a trustful builder for your tiny house. And on the other hand, I would say we have so many things we would like to create together with a tiny living area and so we're looking for companies to want to want to join our trustful network but to create projects together but not only not only the Tiny Living Alliance itself, but also projects around it like like a tiny house village or Yeah, we have so many ideas that we want to create with with tiny house companies together that we want to have this big network of trustful Tiny House companies and with together with them we want to Yeah, create projects and I think when we are standing strong together we can make the whole tiny living industry more trustful, transparent, but also more known so that that the will because also right now in Europe there there are so many different rules regarding tiny houses that the whole Yeah, tiny some some people don't take tiny houses, or people who live in tiny houses serious yet. And I think we are also involved with Guillaume from Ma Petite Maison in, in a petition in Europe, tiny living petition. And with this, we also it's also a project and we also want to create better Rules for Living in a tiny house. So I think with this whole Yeah, with these projects, we we can work together with tiny house builders and we can make the whole yeah tiny live my living movement more known people.
But in the end I have also added to save the tiny living has the one part with the nonprofit organization which decided that we infrastructure we are not prosper we companies and but the Tiny Living Alliance is also really involved. And really, they want also support the whole community of the tiny house movement, to everything, what we get for sponsoring the nation to Tiny Living Alliance supports the whole community with this kind of money. So it's not belongs doesn't belong to the tiny living because the Tiny Living Alliance wants to work together with communities with factories to that we make data all really all if it's a private person, if it's a company, if it's a community, if it's someone else, doesn't matter. We want actually that all together, sit on the table, make something nice and bring the tiny living movement. Very nice. So
Ethan Waldman 22:51
you mentioned before that that you do currently live in a tiny house?
Miranda van Mensvoort 22:57
Yeah, we do. Yeah. And is it we currently live in a tiny house in the Netherlands?
Ethan Waldman 23:02
Okay, isvit a is it a tiny house on a trailer? Or is it a stationary? Tiny House
Miranda van Mensvoort 23:08
Ethan Waldman 23:09
Okay. So can you can you tell the story of your own tiny living journey? You know, why? Why you decided to live tiny and what that looked like for you?
Miranda van Mensvoort 23:22
Yeah, so, um, I would say, We've never been the kind of people that would live in an apartment in a big city. So, yeah, for us, it was really clear that we would live in a tiny house, actually, I think, to work, especially here in the Netherlands, the houses are currently so expensive, that it's almost impossible to buy a house. And apart from that, we were just, we just thinking to ourselves, like, why would we work to be able to pay our mortgage? That sounds stupid to us. But yeah, we're more the kind of people that like to live in a nature and we want to live a free life instead of one between concrete buildings. And I think, yeah, the fact that we are both not materialistic also really helped. So I think we would rather live a life to the fullest with nice experiences and travel once in a while. Instead of having a fancy car and the big TV or something like that. And I think in lots of countries, there are people that are more focused on money than their own well being or spending time with loved ones in the nature and yeah, this is something that worries is a bet. And I think this is just yeah, for us. It was already really clear when we made sure to like, Hey, we're gonna live in a tiny house because this is our way of living. And yeah, the tiny house we live in now we live, I think, five years or so in it. And we had some trouble with finding with the builder, actually. And in the end he was more a hobbyist than the experience tiny house builder that he said he was. So this was a bit for us nerve wracking to learn. But I think this whole the whole process that we had five years ago and the struggles that we had, are right now paying off, because this is this is a small part of what made the Tiny Living Alliance. And I think we now have a nice tiny house where we live in and we are a part of the Tiny Living Alliance, which is also really great. Yeah, so I think this is a bit our story, I would say,
Part of the problems which we have with the tiny house and with the builders, and insulation, dem measurements and organization of stuff and everything, but I think Miranda can tell a little bit more about it. Because, yeah,
Miranda van Mensvoort 25:54
it's just, yeah, we really learned that not everybody can just build a tiny house from scratch. I think a tiny house is so much something so different than a normal house. And as the owner, you really need to think about all the stuff that you have, and the space. Yeah, that you use most. So, yeah. Are you a person that likes to spend time in front of the TV? Or are you more in the kitchen, this is something you really need to think about. And as a builder, you need to think about how you can use the space as useful as you can. So in a normal house, I would say every meter counts, but in a tiny house every centimeter counts are
Ethan Waldman 26:32
Miranda van Mensvoort 26:32
And this is of course European measurements.
Ethan Waldman 26:35
Miranda van Mensvoort 26:38
Okay. But yeah, and like all the choosing materials and everything, you know, what kind of environments you live, and there's so many things you need to think about when you when you're going to buy a tiny house. And this is, yeah, I think this is something only a trustful and experienced Tiny House company can help you in the process.
Ethan Waldman 26:58
Yeah, absolutely, it makes a huge difference. And, you know, we are seeing tiny houses after a few years here have major issues with with moisture, particularly moisture in cold environments, and that, you know, the skills of the builder and what ventilation systems they put in and what kind of insulation and other building materials are used becomes really important. It's not just something that you can just do without thinking about it.
Miranda van Mensvoort 27:34
Exactly, yeah, it's just all about experience.
I have also just a It's all I think also auto manufacturer he said they should follow a certain standards how to build a tiny house and also which kind of material they use for example, by example, I just get a little bit a round but not another round, I just want to tell you a little story about it. A couple of months, we had a nice discussion with a bank
Ethan Waldman 28:07
with a bank to give the darling to deny financing tiny houses for example. And the bank said to us all have a look we only support tiny houses they are bird with this kind of standoff it has to be used material which is actually environment friendly and so on, they have lots of different kinds of rules. And then they say okay, if this tiny house builds with this kind of material, and the manufacturer can agree that they build it like this, then this tiny house is also differently to financing to end customer and this is also something where other companies or banks right now going and see okay, we have also force a little bit the manufactory to a nice via to that you use nice material so that you don't have any problems in few few years. I'm five years old six years with the moisture is a big problem. If the insulation is not correct, if the if the water pipes are not really sealed or something like this, then you get a problem after five or six years and even the window the summer it's even got a tiny house or staying staying actually if it's in the north, if it's in the south, if it's in the middle of you is in all different types of things, which you have to think in advance and this is can only make prosper we and transparent company because they document everything in advance and say also to the end customer have a look. I use this I use this I use this material for example. But it could be possible that in five or 10 years this material is Not so good anymore. So they have called in the end with the end customer and to say, Okay, this is what I use. This is what you can expect, actually after five years after 10 years. But this is a really transparent selling process and buying process with the end customer.
Ethan Waldman 30:18
Wow, yeah, that it's a lot it's a big task to take on. And and I admire your your vision, or where do you see Tiny Living Alliance going with it?
Yeah, thanks. I really hope I really hope, because the Tiny Living Alliance is really open, it's really open to the community is also really open to companies to end customers, because the Tiny Living Alliance should, belongs to only one Tiny Living Alliance actually, organization, a nonprofit organization who should belongs to everyone. So that means the Tiny Living Alliance is something where also the communities can join well, also, private people can join that also other people can try. But everything it should be belongs to the trust and transparency of companies.
Ethan Waldman 31:14
Got it. Earlier, when you were talking about, you know, the story of of starting Tiny Living Alliance, you mentioned meeting other people who who shared a mindset. Can you describe more in detail that that shared mindset that you talked about?
Miranda van Mensvoort 31:33
Yeah. So we we've met, actually, lots of people during traveling. And yeah, you you you come across people with the same mindset. And, and I think this is all what we talked about earlier before that we that we're just not so materialistic people. And I think this is something Yeah, that have all, all the people that live in a tiny house just have this. Yeah, there are quite like I would say, because they, in the end, I think they're there, they're not willing to spend their life in a city working every day, just to pay the rent. And I think these are the kind of people that like to live with something small, but with lots of nature around them, and with lots of free space with with like minded people, and they're more. Yeah, the moon wants to have a campfire evening and talk about, yeah, things that are going on in this world, instead of going to bed early, because they have to work again tomorrow morning.
But But I have also to say as we also see the Tiny Living Alliance, that because of our project, or the elderly people, we also support and help a community for elderly people that we have two kinds of young people, one, which Miranda actually explained. And also, we have also to think about our elderly people. Maybe our parents when they are getting old or when they are 70 or 75 actually would be really nice when they live in a tiny house community. Because in the end, they need something to do for the community, they need a task to do something so that we can also add a little bit more so that we can increase or not increase a little bit, take higher the health of the elderly people because we also see if you put elderly people or if you see elderly people in one of this stone blocks house, I would say like this, I don't know the correct name right now. You see that a health care of them goes really fast down. But instead, what we'll see right now was the Tiny Living Alliance, when we put them in tiny houses in a little community where they have his own garden where they can communicate, where they can discuss, but they can use something that they are really proud that they do something for the community that he or used that you're used to, then the health of the elderly people goes really high and they are really happy. And even with little child's and babies. They are so nice to them. And I have to say this is also something which we have also to see you don't have we shouldn't see the young people. We should also see the old because there was the one who grew up as well. And we should give them something. Yeah.
Ethan Waldman 34:32
Yeah. And that's, you know, we're seeing tiny houses is a wonderful, you know, way to prevent elderly people from having to go live in you know, these bigger facilities, and potentially stay on their properties, stay nearer to family and there's just so many different different uses and ways the tiny houses can help there.
Exactly exactly and use it right now. In the big facilities, you can see the elderly people don't heavy anymore because they, they have a feeling for unused that is not used anymore for the community. But if you if we can make also with them a community and put them to get off to do useful and they get happy the feeling of them, they cry a little bit more on the healthcare FCAs really nice. They are really healthy, too. And I think we should make it also with them. And also with the younger people. Also with the mid range fever. I think all of them as all of them, they have a different mindset, what it means to live tiny.
Ethan Waldman 35:42
Fantastic. Well, is there is there anything else that you want to tell the listeners about before we wrap up?
Miranda van Mensvoort 35:51
I think just that we had a really nice talk with you. And we yeah, we the oldest things we've talked about. I think as you can see, we're quite enthusiastic about everything. But yes, we were really yeah, we're looking for companies that want to join the Alliance and want to create nice projects with us together.
Ethan Waldman 36:14
What is the process like for a company, you know, if there are any builders or other tiny house companies listening, you know, What's the process like for becoming verified and joining?
Miranda van Mensvoort 36:26
So it's actually really easy if if there's builders out there to say like, yeah, I want to be a part of this trustful alliance of this personal network, just go to the website of www.TinyLivingAlliance.com. And on the right, top corner, there's a button. Which, which brings you to the information for companies. And also to Yeah, just a form that which were when you fill out the form, you can become a member. Great. Great.
Ethan Waldman 36:58
Well, Miranda and Jan, thank you so much for being a guest on the show today. I'm excited to share this with the listeners and encourage people to you know, read that announcement or which, which I am assuming is already up on your website. By the time people are listening to this.
Miranda van Mensvoort 37:16
Probably yes. Well, thank you so much. And we just want to apologize for not so nice English. Our English is not ourmother language, so I hope everybody could understand it. Well, and if you have any questions, please get in contact with us.
Ethan Waldman 37:34
Thank you so much to Miranda and Jan from the Tiny Living Alliance for being guests on the show today, you can find the show notes including a complete transcript and links to the Tiny Living Alliance at thetinyhouse.net/188. Again, that's thetinyhouse.net/188. Well, that's all for this week. I'm your host, Ethan Waldman and I'll be back next week with another episode of the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast.
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