After coming across photos of a tiny house being placed by a crane, I became fascinated with the owner's story. That owner is Sabine, also known as Bleeptrack, an artist and creative technologist who chronicles her art and tiny house experiences on the “Work in Progress” YouTube series. Bleeptrack’s home is a beautiful and modern-looking prefabricated home – something I think will gain popularity in the United States. In this conversation we talk about the regulations and realities of living tiny in Germany, Bleeptrack’s unique journey and insights into tiny living, and more.
In This Episode:
- Prefab vs site-built
- Delivering a house via crane
- Living tiny with large windows
- Things to know about radiant floor heat
- Open-source generative art
Links and Resources:
- Picopresso Portable Espresso Machine
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The crane had to lift Sabine's house over her neighbors' homes!
Placement was key, as the opening to hook up utilities through was very small.
Solar panels look like fins on the roof from this angle
Large windows allow Bleeptrack feel closer to nature
The closest neighbors are her parents, making curtains unnecessary
One loft is used for sleeping and the other is an office space
Some of Bleeptrack's art supplies are inside the tiny house
Check out the conversation for a tiny-friendly espresso machine recommendation!
There are two lofts in this tiny home!
Storage boxes keep their clothing and possessions tidy
The bathroom is next to the kitchen, which hasn't been an issue for Bleeptrack and her partner
Some of Bleeptrack's art supplies are stored outside in a shed
There was a very young couple who also wanted to set up the typical wagon-style tiny house and the whole small town voice against that. And for this reason we did not write the name tiny house in our building permit.
Ethan Waldman 0:15
Welcome to the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast, the show where you learn how to plan, build and live the tiny lifestyle. I'm your host, Ethan Waldman, and this is episode 260 With Bleeptrack, AKA Sabine. Bleeptrack is an artist and creative technologist from Germany and she documents the creation of her art and her tiny house life on her YouTube series, "Work In Progress." I got interested in interviewing Sabine when I saw it photos of her tiny home being craned into place in the backyard of another home, or tiny home is actually a prefab model that is really beautiful and modern. It's a company called Koda. And I think that these modular prefabricated tiny homes are going to become more popular and more common in the United States. So I was curious to learn how they are regulated in Germany and Europe and what it's been like living in one. I hope you stick around for this great conversation with Bleeptrack, aka Sabine.
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Right, I am here with Bleeptrack. Bleeptrack is an artist and creative technologist from Germany. She documents the creation of her art pieces and her tiny house life on her YouTube series, "Work In Progress." Sabine-Bleeptrack, welcome to the show.
Hey, Ethan, thanks so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here.
Ethan Waldman 2:28
Yeah, super excited to have you. So tell me about your tiny house. It's a Kodasema. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. hat is what is it?
Yes, the company is called Kodasema. And it's a bit on the larger side of the tiny house. So the version that I'm currently live in is a Koda Loft Extended. So it basically consists of two whole rooms. So it's really on the bigger side of a tiny house.
Ethan Waldman 2:56
Okay, and how many, do you know how like how many square meters it is?
I think it depends a lot on how you calculate, but I think they officially stated with 46 square meters.
Ethan Waldman 3:07
But there are like two mezzanines in there and I think they fully count them in and I'm, I'm not sure if this is the proper way to count it.
Ethan Waldman 3:16
But when I asked my cleaning robot, so the base square meters that it cleans is more on 28.
Ethan Waldman 3:25
Okay, yeah, and and I mean 46 square meters just for for the American listeners. I'm seeing that I just plug that into a calculator that's only 150 square feet so it's not it's not that big. Pretty tiny you know? It's right in line with with tiny houses here too. So this house is is a modular home so it was it was constructed I'm guessing in a factory somewhere and then like placed on on a property. Correct?
Exactly. They, in my case they fabricated in Estonia on their on their main fabrication site.
Ethan Waldman 4:05
Everything is ready. They even they build in the kitchen and toilet and everything and then it gets in my case it got shipped by ship to Germany. And from there it goes on the highway to my property and then with a crane, you set it up on the ground.
Ethan Waldman 4:20
Yeah. And I you shared some fun photos of of your house, you know, very high in the air hanging off of a crane, which I'm sure was gut wrenching to watch.
It was, I was yes, I was extremely nervous. The problem was that we had to lift the house over our neighbor's house so it was quite a distance to lift. It's really heavy. It's worth about 15 tones. And we had to ask for a quin crane company if they were even able to set it up because we were not sure if the distance is too long maybe and it was was a close call so the biggest crane that they could deliver barely fit into the driveway.
Ethan Waldman 5:00
It was very close call. Yeah.
Ethan Waldman 5:04
So the property that you're on, is it a property that you that you own or you rent?
I own the property. And I'm already living on this property for about 10 years now. And it was an older, very tiny, like regular house built on it.
Ethan Waldman 5:21
The problem is it was like super old, could only be heated by wood. And there was no proper chance to renovate it. And there was also no proper chance to build up a regular German house on it, because the property is quite hard to reach. And this is why we decided for tiny house in the end.
Ethan Waldman 5:40
Yeah, so I was that was actually my very next question, you know, like, how did this compare to potentially build, you know, building a house, like, on site? And it sounds like just reaching the site is a challenge?
Yeah. Because like, usually you would build like, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the way that Germans build their houses, we build like very big, like stone bricks and stuff. And having all these vehicles driving up this property and setting it up the regular way would I mean, it would have been possible, but it would have been crazy difficult.
Ethan Waldman 6:17
And also super expensive. And yeah, having having a prefab modular home that we can just set up by crane. And it's basically it's set up in one day, more or less.
Ethan Waldman 6:30
Was was a fantastic solution for for our housing problem.
Ethan Waldman 6:36
Yeah. So. So I'm guessing you had to demolish the old house before you could place the new one.
Yes, totally. Like we, we, we hoped that we could keep the old house set up the new one next to it, and then the most the old one. But sadly, with the building regulations, this was not possible. We more or less had to set it up at the same space, or the same place.
Ethan Waldman 6:56
And yeah, so we had, we had to demolish it first. And luckily, we could move into my parents for a few months. Then the house arrived.
Ethan Waldman 7:08
And what did you have to do to kind of create a foundation for the house? Is there a permanent foundation?
Yep. We are. German building law, we are basically required to have a proper foundation. It's a concrete foundation. And we had to pour in I think it was 10 concrete spots, basically. But there's different ways you can do it. You could also pour concrete plate or something similar.
Ethan Waldman 7:35
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm seeing I'm actually seeing that in the photo. The photo that shows the house up on the crane, you can kind of see the pad and it looks like he poured you know, a bunch of concrete footings is what, what we would call them but yeah. Okay, cool. So it just, it just sits right down on those. And then I'm guessing is it fully, you know, hooked up to the grid in terms of electricity and water and things?
Yeah, it's fully hooked up. So from Kodasema, we got plans, where all the connections should end up emerging from the ground. And then what was it was, it was also really interesting. Like, we preparee the site like from like, off of the specifications that we got, then was a bit like threading, putting a thread through a needle hole. Because like the Kodasema house has that super tiny hole at the bottom. Yeah, putting all the cables and all their water connections. Yeah, yeah. When you put it down with the crane.
Ethan Waldman 8:32
Yeah. But it worked out perfectly well. So we have we have Yeah, like fresh water, wastewater, electricity. And yeah, that's, that's more or less if there's and internet, wired internet connection.
Ethan Waldman 8:48
I like that. So the crane is up there and you're like, "Okay, just one centimeter to the left."
Ethan Waldman 8:55
Wow, must have been a good crane driver.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the crane people they were they were amazing. Yeah, they were. Also I think, I'm not sure if they were but they felt a bit nervous also, from what I can tell because I think there's also not a typical job that usually do.
Ethan Waldman 9:13
Okay. Yeah, you don't like to hear that that the crane people are nervous. So I'm looking at a photo of the outside of the house and it almost looks like there are like, several diagonal fins like along the roofline are those are those solar panels, are those vents? What are those?
So it's so wood cladding, okay, that has a paint on it. You can decide different colors on whatever you want. And yeah, so it's exciting. You can also think you can get it in a metal cladding but it makes it even more heavy and super expensive. And wood is the usual type and it's a flat roof and on the roof, we ourselves afterwards put on some solar panels.
Ethan Waldman 9:58
Okay, okay. Yeah, I think that's what I'm seeing is those solar panels. So you have a sense of, like, these modular builds are very, you know, intriguing. And I think that, at least in the United States, I don't I think that Europe has been much further ahead on this that like, modular building has almost been looked down upon like, it's, it's kind of like a less desirable option. And now, that's obviously changing, because the quality that you can build in a perfectly flat, perfectly temperature and humidity controlled factory is much better than than what you can do on site. So like, were there lots of other options? Were there like, what else did you compare this to? Or was? Did you just see this one? And you knew that this was the one?
Yeah, I think we were super lucky on that one. So we made a trip to Estonia during COVID because our other holiday trip got canceled, because all of our stuff got canceled. And, yeah, totally by chance, we walked by the company who had some houses on display at the harbor. And we, we super liked them. And we had the chance to like, look at one from the inside and was very interesting.
Ethan Waldman 11:18
And that was around the time where we were starting to think what should we do with the old house? Or how should we proceed?
Ethan Waldman 11:24
And one thing we compare it to is Wikklehouse, that's a company from Amsterdam, also super interesting, also very modular way of houses that they provide. But yeah, like in the end, the interior design of the Koda was the one that most I think fit to our lifestyle and okay, we enjoyed the most. Yeah, and like overall I can think it's similar in Germany about modular or I think prefab houses already were a thing but like more on the super large scale and tiny houses becoming more popular, but it's still sometimes very hard to get the permit to set them up. And I know like a few a few towns away a few years ago, we had a very big issue, basically. There was a very young couple who also wanted to set up the typical wagon-style tiny house and the whole small town was against that and they, like this was going to lawsuits and was very problematic. And for this reason we did not write the name tiny house in our building permit application because we were worried everyone else remembering the tiny houses issue so we went with tiny prefab house or something. And it was, yeah, I think a good decision I'm not sure this a lot of people still have the story in their head in my my area.
Ethan Waldman 12:50
That's smart. Just don't don't call it a tiny house.
Ethan Waldman 12:56
So I love the the kind of modern design of of the home. But I definitely see that it's got a lot of glass. And I wonder, like, you know, I can see that you're near other houses. How has that been in terms of just like, feeling like you're not, you know, on display for your neighbors?
Yeah, I think setting up a Koda like in the midst of a city is really maybe a bit of a weird feeling. Or you need a lot of light cuurtains or something. And in my case, we have the property next to the forest. So the garden part is yeah, like it's connected to the forest and we do we don't see that much neighbors that's one neighbor house a bit further away.
Ethan Waldman 13:40
We were fine with these and the other neighbors are actually my parents. So this is also fine. We sort of share like a window from and that yeah, that feels good. And I'm really happy about that because I enjoy the light situation a lot. And it would be a shame to have curtains in front of it. I enjoy being in nature and having having a look outside to the garden and into the woods.
Ethan Waldman 14:01
Yeah, and actually, I think in your one-year tour video I heard you mentioned that the windows are actually kind of mirrored on the outside so it's it provides they're almost like mirrored sunglasses
Yeah, I think so. I'm not sure yeah, like it at least it feels like this but, not sure if they are actually super maroon or something. But if you on a sunny day look try to look in you can't see much and yeah of course at night you are a lot of on display when it's dark right and you have the lights on and whatnot.
Ethan Waldman 14:31
Fishbowl. So, how is how is this home heated? So your old home was wood only How do you heat this one?
This one is only heated with an electric floor heating basic.
Ethan Waldman 14:48
Okay. Okay, so like radiant.
Very weird at first this is very unusual for German houses. And now with the energy prices in Germany, they were super high in the last few So, we were super happy to have the solar modules on top on the roof.
Ethan Waldman 15:05
But overall, it feels great. I enjoyed a lot. You have warm feet all the time. I know the first you think it was the first two or three days, the house needed time to heat up. So it took quite some time. It's a rather slow way of heating. So you can't have just a small, so yeah.
Ethan Waldman 15:29
Yeah, yeah, my understanding of that is like the floor is like a big heavy thermal mass, and you heat it up slowly, and then it retains that heat and really, you know, kind of gently radiates it into the space. That's, that's really cool that it's that it's just that the heat the house. The kind of caravan style tiny houses or the tiny houses on wheels are very popular here. And they're more difficult to heat with just the in-floor radiant, because there isn't enough of the thermal mass. So you can warm up the floors, but they don't really, they don't really do it. And you, you know, I see pictures with snow on it. So I'm assuming that you experience you know, a very full and chilly winter.
Yeah, true. Like the south of Germany. I'm rather close to them, or yeah, rather close to the mountains, and we have winters with minus 20 degrees Celsius. I'm not sure what is in Fahrenheit, to be honest. But yeah, like rather rather cold, rather cold winters. And this was also maybe one decision point, for the Kodas, because in Estonia, they also have like super cold winters. And we were sure that they prep their houses accordingly.
Ethan Waldman 16:46
Nice. Nice. So, so your house has two different lofts. Right.?How can you can you tell us kind of how you use the space? Or how you've you've what what spaces you've created inside of it?
Yeah, sure. So the first room basically is our living room-kitchen combination. This is like also where you would entrance the house.
Ethan Waldman 17:16
And this is the room that we also use most I think, and the mezzanine on there is just also more of like relaxing place where I enjoy sitting and I don't know code on my project and have a nice view outside. And the back room is my office where I'm currently sitting and have my office desk and also we have a bit of storage space and some shelves and the mezzanine on the back room is for sleeping.
Ethan Waldman 17:45
Okay, okay. Yeah, cuz you you know, I've seen following you on Mastodon and some of the photos that you that you do a lot of a lot of art, a lot of making. And so I'm guessing and there's some some very high-tech-looking equipment in some of the photos. So I'm guessing you don't have that all in the tiny house.
Yes, true. I think like in on this. On this way. I'm sort of cheating on the tiny house life a bit. So we we also have an old garage left on the property. And this is where I have like my big machines like a laser cutter and a CNC machine. All the things that produce a lot of dust and stuff. I think it makes sense to have it in a separate separate room.
Ethan Waldman 18:25
Yeah, you don't need that stuff inside of your house. You don't want that dust. Yeah, also, I feel like I wish I lived nearby because I've always wanted a friend with a CNC machine. Seems like a very handy thing to have.
If you ever happen to come around in South Germany and feel free to pop by.
Ethan Waldman 18:46
Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Have you have you ever used the CNC machine or any of those kind of things that you use for creating art to like, make a part that you need for the house? Or like repair something in your house?
Um, yeah, partly so. But it was actually it was more more my partner. My partner built, what would you call it? Like a TV stand desk thing?
Ethan Waldman 19:13
Yeah, that perfectly fits in to the living room because it's sometimes it's a bit hard to find matching furniture. I think a lot of furniture is already built in, of course. But yeah, like this specific part furniture part. We didn't find anything that that made sense. So yeah. We crafted this on our own. And then there's like, some tiny, tiny parts maybe that we put in on a 3d printer and yeah, maybe I'd have to say like, because the kitchen comes built in already like it so perfectly. There was not much to add, actually.
Ethan Waldman 19:54
Yeah. So how in the photos So I don't have a sense of of like, what the the storage spaces are in the house like, are their built in storage spaces? Or did you have to add like furniture to store your clothes and things?
It depends a bit on how you use the rooms because I think the room that I use this office is usually intended to be used as sleeping room basically.
Ethan Waldman 20:21
And then you have the, then you have the mezzanine space free, and that can have a lot of storage. So you could put a lot of stuff in there. But because we use it differently, we had to figure out a better way for us to make it work with storage. And we went, we ended up to buy a lot of black paper carton boxes. This is where we store everything. So it doesn't look too cluttered. But we can just throw stuff in there. So I have I have two boxes for my clothes. And I don't know, like a box for my knitting stuff. And another box for my paper stuff. My partner is similar and we have just like two shelves where we put all these boxes in and have a label on them and then we go.
Ethan Waldman 21:00
Nice, nice. It probably helps to be somewhat minimalist.
Yes, I think so. And yeah, we we had to declutter quite a lot coming from the old house to the tiny house. That was, whew!. That was a very hard process to get rid of all the stuff and find out what we actually need and what we don't need.
Ethan Waldman 21:23
Yeah, it always is. And it's, it's an ongoing challenge to it. It kind of never ends. So, let's see, I wanted to ask you about your your tiny espresso maker, I had never seen that before. And it looks like it's a little like a hand crank kind of thing. How does it so what is it called and how does it work?
It's called Picopresso.
Ethan Waldman 21:50
And I think there's also one which is called Nanopresso. They are quite similar. And I think the Picopresso's the newer version more or less, okay, yeah, it makes it makes a double shot espresso. And it's like, the size of, I don't know, like, if you put your two palms together, that's about as high as you have. So it's super easy to store away in a drawer somewhere.
Ethan Waldman 22:10
And the one thing that you will also need is a grinder, and it makes sense to buy a proper good hand grinder where you can dial in the grind settings to a very fine grind. Otherwise, it's it gets hard for espresso. And I enjoy espresso a lot, but there's no chance to have a proper full blown machine in a tiny house. At least not for us.
Ethan Waldman 22:36
Yeah, no, I'm a bit of a coffee nerd myself and I'm intrigued. Definitely. Yeah.
I can, like Yeah, totally try it. It's a super fun. It's a super fun device.
Ethan Waldman 22:47
It looks fun. And it looks like it like it's a good hand strengthening exercise, too. It's like, you know, like when you hurt your hand and the physical therapist gives you like that ball to squeeze to strengthen your Yeah, you've got it right there.
You also train a bit of your heat resistance because it needs to heat up the little little thing quite heavily because you put in boiling water, more or less, and it's just like a plastic wall in between your hands in the boiling water. So it gets really hot sometimes.
Ethan Waldman 23:16
So you're pouring boiling water.
Yes. I've seen a lot of people getting like little sleeves of of leather or felt or somewhere to put around it. So it's not not that hot when you touch it. But yeah, I love so far. I managed to hold it with their hands. But yeah, it gets quite hot. Yeah,
Ethan Waldman 23:35
I'll bet it does. All right. Picopresso and Nanopresso. That's, that's really cool. And it's it's a very tiny house friendly way of making coffee.
Ethan Waldman 23:47
So what other technology do you have in the tiny house?
So I scaled down a lot. So I'm also currently doing a PhD in machine learning. So I had a quite huge like, energy-hungry machine learning computer next to my desk, okay. And I now scale this down to just my laptop and an external CPU. So everything needs to get smaller, in a way and yes, yeah, I think like my partner and I, we go both go with notebooks. Now we have a big TV. And also like a little little other PC below the TV that we use for gaming. And also we run like a home assistant where we can control all electric stuff measure how much energy we get from the solar cells, and so on.
Ethan Waldman 24:36
That's most of the tech and for water heating we have not sure what the proper term is an instant flow heater, so just water okay, those wouldn't get gets instantly there's no boil I guess no water tank.
Ethan Waldman 24:49
Yep. On-demand is what we would call it but instant flow. Gotcha. And I and then it just looks like everything...
We have a washing machine actually.
Ethan Waldman 24:59
Oh, Wow, excellent.
Yeah, that's like the transition area between the two rooms. There's like a little, little neat. And there's one one full sized washing machine and on top there's a bit of space left and this is where we currently hang our like, coats and raincheck
Ethan Waldman 25:14
Yeah, yeah, it looks it looks even though it's tiny. It looks like actually, like it feels kind of expansive like there's a lot of different spaces in the house and just all that light really, probably makes it feel a lot bigger than it really is.
Yeah, absolutely. I think Kodasema did a really really good job on interior design on this house like it feels it feels very thought-through. So it makes a great concept overall like everything fits together and works really well. I think there's one con that some people mentioned is when you want to go to the bathroom you basically, you basically walk through the kitchen and this is something that some people don't like that much. We have this so close together so far we had no issues with that but I've come several people that's the one one point that they mentioned that they would like to have changed maybe.
Ethan Waldman 26:11
It is of course much more of it's very efficient to put the bathroom and the kitchen together because all the all the plumbing all the water lines can just be in that one wall. That's that's a pretty common thing in tiny houses and yeah, it's it's personal preference. Have there been any any surprises? Good or bad about tiny living?
I think we like we thought it through quite a lot. So I don't think they'll I don't think they were like huge surprises when we set it up. We had a lot of we had visitors suddenly standing in our garden and were like, "Well what is this? Is this a house?"
Ethan Waldman 26:53
Yeah, like we live yeah, as I said we live very rural so people are sort of nosey and they just come away and take a look at what what new thing popped up in the neighborhood.
Ethan Waldman 27:05
Okay, so it attracts it attracts a lot of attention.
Definitely. Yeah, but besides, I don't think like we were we are very still very happy after one year living in here and we would do it the same way again, no regrets, works very well with our way of living.
Ethan Waldman 27:27
Cool. Well, that's great. And so when you did this were you thinking that it would be for a set period of time or are you're just like this is it this is the house for as long as we care to live there.
Yeah, I think I think more on the later side so we are planning to live here as long as possible. This is also why we like we decided for the two room version also to have the opportunity to start a family maybe one day. So you have one room eft that might be used for for a child maybe then I use my office somewhere else. We're also thinking on extending maybe a bit so there are nice like nice other tiny houses that are made just to be like outdoor offices maybe in case my partner also starts to completely work from home it might make sense to have a separate room for him to work. This is something we are currently considering because the property is quite big so we would have placed at another tiny weird shed for him to work. Yep.
Ethan Waldman 28:40
Yeah, I really love that I think it makes a lot of sense, rather than making your your house bigger to just add if you can small, like single room single function spaces as needed, you know, a shed for an office, a shed for an art studio. I even know I know some tiny house people that that as their as their children kind of got into their teenage years, the kids actually built their own little tiny room separate from the tiny house that was their space to live in. Yeah.
Yeah, I really liked the idea and in Germany we currently have the problem that there are a lot of empty old houses that were built like 60 years ago when the idea was that you have a multi generation house right where you have like the parents have their children and they also maybe have like grandparents still in there. So it's like a full house where three generations live in in this way to know and way too expensive to to keep to keep up. And they're all Yeah, they are all breaking down. Now over time. This is super sad to see nothing. Yeah, having a more modular way of living like with these tiny house. Tiny houses or prefab modules makes a lot more and modern lifestyles. Yeah. So are there
Ethan Waldman 30:05
is there any kind of tiny house community that you're connected with other people living tiny near you?
Yes. Sadly not yet. Like, there are some houses popping up now. And I'm yeah, I'm starting to reach out to people but there's not there's no huge community I'm connected to deadly force
Ethan Waldman 30:34
I've really enjoyed speaking with you. I just before we finished, I wanted to ask you about about your art and what you know what things that you that you sell on your website and what you're working on.
Yeah, so I enjoy generative art a lot. So this is basically art that is created with code,
Ethan Waldman 30:56
in some way or the other, okay, and I enjoyed to make physical things out of it. So I have a pen for the for example. So I draw some artwork, so then drawing robot basically, or even my CNC machine or laser cutter. So there's a lot of different things. And what I also enjoy is open sourcing my project, so everyone can use it or make their own art with it. So if you're interested in something, I don't know, yeah, generative or tech related art, and check out my website or my detail.
Ethan Waldman 31:27
Nice, and I'll put the photos of your tiny house and links to your website and other online profiles on the show notes page for this episode so people can can find you there. Well, Sabine, Bleeptrack, thank you so much. This was so fun.
Thanks so much for having me. I super enjoyed our little talk. Thanks so much.
Ethan Waldman 31:55
Thank you so much to Bleeptrack, aka Sabine for being a guest on the show today. You can find the show notes including photos of Sabine's tiny house and a complete transcript of the episode and links to Sabines work online at thetinyhouse.net/260. Again, that's thetinyhouse.net/260. Well, that's all for this week. I'm your host, Ethan Waldman, and I'll be back next week with another episode of the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast.
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