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Ethan Waldman: Welcome to the Tiny House Lifestyle  Podcasts. I'm your host Ethan Waldman and today my guest is Alek  Lisefski. Alek  designed and built his 8 by 20 foot tiny house in 2013 and lived in it for 3 and a half years before selling everything and moving to New Zealand for his next adventure. Alek  believes a tiny house goes far beyond its 4 walls and a roof and is only part of a conscious personal choice to live in a more simple and sustainable way. Alek, welcome to the show.

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Alek Lisefski: Thanks, Ethan. It's fun to be here.

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Ethan Waldman: I'm glad you joined us. I wanted to start off by asking you about your tiny house, the tiny project. I think it was 1 of the first houses that I saw that incorporated a more modern look with the unique roof line. And I was curious what inspired that design.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, I when I was thinking through what I wanted for my house, I was actually shocked that mostly everything I was seeing was just a really traditional roof, like, you know, Jay Schafer's iconic design. And I never understood how that was a good use of space. So I was just thinking, okay, I've got 8 by 20 feet, you know, how am I going to maximize this? How am I going to create some storage in the loft? How am I going to have enough room for a little home office? The only thing that made sense to me

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Alek Lisefski: was to use a shed roof, just a low sloping shed roof to give it, you know, almost like a box just so it has as much possible interior space so I don't know why there were very few at the time certainly that's not the case anymore I think everyone sort of caught on to me it just makes I'm a visual designer so it just as terms of use of space and even how it looked, it just was a no-brainer for me at the time.

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Ethan Waldman: Yeah, and as I said, I think it was 1 of the earliest shed roofs that I saw. But what's so cool about it, and if those listening have never seen it they should check it out at tiny-project.com. There's this kind of juxtaposing roof line that goes opposite of the direction of the shed roof and it doesn't when you look at it from the front, it doesn't read like a shed roof. You don't see it and say, oh, that's just a shed roof. It really, the lines are just visually really beautiful.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah. I was trying, when I originally designed the house, I was sort of approaching it from a passive solar point of view. And the multiple roof lines were intended to create an overhang that would shade the largest windows on the side of the house. And instead of building that as a solid overhang there, I ended up just using shade sails to create even more shade. So the roof line, the way that they sort of juxtaposed these 2 angled roof lines were sort of to create maximum interior space and maximum sun exposure on 1 side, but then

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Alek Lisefski: also the ability to sort of intersect that with a separate plane to create this little overhang for shade. So that was sort of the original idea. And I liked how it looked visually as well as serving that solar heating cooling purpose as well.

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Ethan Waldman: Yeah, I just love that design and I've seen photos of it set up with those shade sails and it just adds so much outdoor living space and just more usable ground to be on.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, that was always the intention from the beginning as well was to add that when I first built the house, it didn't have the deck because I knew it would be harder to move. My first move was I built it in Iowa and towed it out to California. And I was like, I can add the deck later. There's no reason to make it more difficult and possibly less well-balanced on the road. But I had always intended to create that outdoor space because it just makes it feels like it's twice as big. And I think anyone who

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Alek Lisefski: has a tiny house, who has a deck or has created some outdoor space will say the same thing. It's just part of your living environment. And then so yeah, so once I got that whole package together with the deck and the shade sales, that was really finally complete, I think, at that point.

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Ethan Waldman: And so is California where you lived in the house for the majority of the time that you were in it?

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah. I lived in California for just over 2 years and then towed the house from there to Austin, Texas and lived in Austin for just over a year. So it was about 3 and a half years total that I was in the house full time in Sebastopol, California and Austin, Texas. And yeah, so it was a couple big trips, big moves to get it from place to place.

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Ethan Waldman: And so I'm guessing that when you built the house on wheels, that was your intention to be able to live in multiple places if you wanted to.

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Alek Lisefski: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that kind of gets to the question of why did I build a tiny house in the first place? And there were a lot of reasons, but 1 of them was I really liked the idea of home ownership and, you know, not paying rent, but I had no idea where I was gonna settle down You know I was in a relationship at the time But it was in flux because she was going maybe going to grad school and who knows could be on either end of the country I needed the flexibility to just

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Alek Lisefski: pick up and go where life needed to take me. And you can't normally do that when you own a home. So that solved the tiny house concept, solved that 1 of the main sort of issues I had at the time.

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Ethan Waldman: So many people are drawn to the tiny house lifestyle for financial reasons and you touched on that as a way of saving money and being a homeowner without having to mortgage your future.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah.

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Ethan Waldman: So Other than the mobility and the financial aspects, were there other aspects that drew you in to the tiny house lifestyle?

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, I think once I got started, actually, the financial aspect seemed huge at the beginning. And it was definitely a motivating factor because it was the only way I could own a home at the time. But really getting into it, it was everything else that really was fascinating to me. You know, I could have figured out, I could have rented, you can figure things out. Like I could have made it work financially doing any number of different ways of living. But it's really the lifestyle and how living in such a small space changes the way you

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Alek Lisefski: think about nearly everything else in your life, which I think became the motivating factor for me, more so than even the finances. And what I mean by that is just forcing yourself to simplify your belongings then makes you question what else in your life is more or less important? How can you shift in things in order to be happier? And to maybe, if you're concerned about the environment, to use fewer resources or to consume less in other ways. And so all of those, which may be thought of even as secondary to some people, just the cumulative

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Alek Lisefski: effect of all those benefits and all of those considerations during the whole process was really fascinating to me. And that's the kind of lasting effect of the tiny house living house because I don't I no longer live in the house but I still think about the world in the same way that I was sort of trained. I trained myself through that process to a way of sort of living and understanding the world around me and what housing means and how to interact with people and neighbors and all of that was affected by the tiny house.

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Ethan Waldman: Well, I loved what you said there and that was a really beautiful way of putting it. It kind of Made me just think of the term almost brutal honesty, you know, you have to become honest with yourself about Your possessions that's almost like a first step because there's a physical space barrier But then you really touched on that second and maybe third level, you know, orders of effect there, which are relationships and commitments and jobs and, you know, the whole course of your life can be kind of changed by that perspective that living tiny gives you.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I find that incredibly fascinating. And relationships is a huge 1 and I've actually given some talks on this because I've been in 2 different relationships in the tiny house. Both are quite different but they're that you know you come across the same issues or not really issues but just the challenges and the type of communication that's necessary to make that work. So that in itself is a whole interesting topic of just how to really be prepared to have a successful relationship in a tiny house. But yeah, it does it really it's it's I

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Alek Lisefski: almost think of it as in a way like a spiritual practice. It affects you on a pretty deep level and then radiates out and sort of then has an impact on every other area of your life. Which is really kind of crazy that something like a house can do that. Which goes to show you that it's a lot more. That's why in that intro, you know, it's a lot more than just the house itself It's really everything else that the house does for you and the way in which it might shift your perspective, which is which

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Alek Lisefski: is really cool

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Ethan Waldman: So what would be your advice for someone interested in tiny living who does have a partner that they want to bring along with them?

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Alek Lisefski: Well, you know, a lot of it coincidentally is really just relationship advice in general. I mean, the main 1 just being communication is key. There's no fear of too much communication, I think, especially at the beginning of that process and really understanding what it is because usually someone in a relationship is going to be the primary driver of the project. Like if they're really interested in tiny houses, they sort of have to get their partner on board. It's not as often that both people are equally enthusiastic about it. And so really talking through what it is

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Alek Lisefski: that you really want to gain from this and and the finances because finances are also a big point of you know heated point of Topic of 4 couples and they often get in, you know arguments over it. So really understanding each other's goals and needs upfront and You know then obviously throughout the process if you're building it can be incredibly stressful and a lot of people like really Get overwhelmed and freak out And it strains their relationship during that as well. So there's so many areas where it could potentially be challenging for a couple. So you

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Alek Lisefski: just have to really communicate well through the process and really take care of yourself and take care of each other because it can be really emotionally taxing, especially if you're building your own house, that part of the process is a challenge for anyone and everyone no matter where they are or if they're in a partnership or not. And then obviously once you're in the house, I think there's a lot of little lessons to learn, which some of those things you can't really know until you do it, but a lot of it is just the proximity that

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Alek Lisefski: you have to each other and the constant sharing of space and how that may kind of shift your relationship in a way that you never had to deal with in a larger house. Because most people usually have a bit more alone time or a bit more privacy or more separation if they want it. And in a tiny house you really have to face everything head-on because there's nowhere to go. I mean you can go outside, you can close the door and you know go for a walk. That's your, if you need some space, that's your only

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Alek Lisefski: option. So it's really, it forces in the moment communication which is often lacking or easy to push aside in a bigger space. So there's just so many ways in which it again, kind of these subtle shifts that, but they become really important and they can make or break a relationship if they're not, you know, taken care of.

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Ethan Waldman: That's so well put. And there's so much there. I'll just share in my own situation. You know, I was dating somebody while I built the tiny house and we we have stayed together and now we're actually married. But our biggest fight probably ever and our real first fight happened during the building of the tiny house. And it, you know, it taught us a lot about each other, about working together. But I had another observation, which is just that you are, you do have so much more face time together in that tiny house, but it's a wonderful

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Ethan Waldman: thing in our relationship because because we see each other so frequently at home, I think we're more encouraging of each other having our own hobbies and interests and things that we go out and do on our own. I think that so many couples, you know, couples who maybe work full-time out of the house, you know, they feel almost obliged to spend the weekend together and have the same hobbies so that they can spend that time together. And we don't have to force each other to do those things. Like we can have our own things and we

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Ethan Waldman: know that our relationship is strong because we are together in the tiny house a lot.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, that's a really interesting observation. And that also has more to do with other lifestyle choices like being able to work from home. I mean, because a lot of people, just because you're in a tiny house doesn't necessarily mean that's true. And I'm the same way, where I do spend a lot of time with my partner and I see her every day and often during the daytime. I have a full-time job now, so I don't work from home. But still, I come home for lunch every day because I'm really close to work and and so yeah

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Alek Lisefski: that that's really cool how Both your lifestyle choices and what you're able to do for work plus your house can can change things in a way which you've found a healthy way through that which is we get more connection all the time so therefore we're also able to give each other more freedom to enjoy other hobbies and stuff so you kind of get the best of both. So that's just an example of how a tiny house if if you're willing to go through that process and communicate well, it can bring you a lot of benefits. I

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Alek Lisefski: mean, I feel like I am closer to my partner because of that process as well. And, you know, my dog loved it because she always wanted to be in the same room with us and there was only 1 room So she always was

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Ethan Waldman: To be with her people

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Alek Lisefski: Exactly, so there are there are a lot of benefits, But I don't know if everyone's quite ready for it because people do ask that and they do worry about that or you'll see people ask questions, how can I convince my partner that we should do this? And I think, you know, you should try and convince your partner, if you buy, that's also a bit of a red flag being like, if you really need to change someone and you really need to, if you're going to sort of subtly force them into it, it may not work. So

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Alek Lisefski: it's definitely something to consider if you're going through this with someone else.

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Ethan Waldman: I couldn't agree more and I definitely get those emails as well. How can I convince my husband, wife, partner, etc? To do this with me? And you know, you can explain the benefits, but they have to see it for themselves. And you certainly don't want to force someone into tiny living.

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Alek Lisefski: And baby steps. Because sometimes you see someone say, my husband is a hoarder. I want to live in a tiny house. That's a big gap to bridge. So you start small, you know?

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Ethan Waldman: Yeah, maybe try paring down the collection.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, maybe move to a smaller apartment, maybe clean out the garage, do it in baby steps and then eventually might get there. But I think all it wants is too much.

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Ethan Waldman: Yeah. And you know, everything is a trade off. And with tiny living, you trade space for sometimes financial, sometimes physical, sometimes both that kind of freedom. You chose to sell your tiny house, which I can hardly imagine doing, but the trade-off must have been worth it. So I'm curious, why did you decide to let the tiny house go?

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Alek Lisefski: Thanks for that question. I haven't really talked about this with anyone yet. You know, when I was building it and when I was living in it, I never thought I would sell it ever. I just figured, well, first of all, I mean, when you spend that much time designing and building something, The house literally felt like a part of me. So it was like it was like a death selling. I mean it was like it was a serious labor of love and blood sweat and tears that went into that and just so many hours. So it

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Alek Lisefski: was hard to even think about it as something that I could sell and I never had and I wasn't planning on it. But it's kind of like with any major life decision, it's like I didn't think about it until the next thing that came along that really pulled me in a different direction. And Then I kind of was just willing to do whatever it took to make that next dream happen And it was the same way with a tiny house. I kind of you know when I when the tiny house bug got in my brain I

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Alek Lisefski: was like, okay, I'm doing this. I didn't even really other considerations just dropped away And that 1 just became my focus. So when I sort of made the decision that I wanted to move to New Zealand and try this thing out and live in a different country and be close to my brother here, and all of a sudden keeping the house became less important to me than it was before. And I thought, wow, I can always build another 1, I guess. Maybe it's just time to move on and see what the next thing is. So it

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Alek Lisefski: took me a few weeks of really, really thinking that through, but at some point I was just able to let it go and say it's just a house, which is crazy because it's really more than that. But In the end, it's just like any other possession. I kind of, I don't know if I shamed myself, but I was kind of like, look, if I can live this sort of minimalist life where I'm not able to care about too many other possessions, well, a house, even 1 that I designed and built and put so much attention into

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Alek Lisefski: is still just a possession. And I don't wanna treat it like anything else. I don't wanna get attached to it, just like I don't wanna get attached to anything else. And so I said, If I think about it like that, it's a no-brainer. I just gotta let it go, just like I might have to let go of some other possession because it's really not the most important thing in my life, as big as it is. So that was a tough 1, but I got to that point where I knew that I wasn't gonna let that 1

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Alek Lisefski: thing prevent me from doing something else really big and cool and new. And I think that's 1 of the reasons of going for the tiny house in the first place, was it was mobile. It was like I ended 1 relationship and started a new relationship and moved halfway across the country with it. And I wouldn't have had that flexibility without it being on wheels. And in the same way, I wouldn't have the flexibility to move to a different country without needing to sell it. So it's like, I just, it's an extension of the same freedom and

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Alek Lisefski: unattachment that I hope to live my life with in general and so I just did it and I miss it And I miss being part of the tiny house community, the tiny house tribe and all the friends I made that I don't get to see very often or I haven't since I've moved to New Zealand. But the house itself again, it's probably more the people that I miss really honestly.

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Ethan Waldman: Maybe you'll build a tiny house in New Zealand and find the tiny house people there.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, yeah, I, I have no idea what my my tiny house future looks like I may build 1 here. I haven't actually because I've, you know, I got a new job here and I've been, I've moved to a new apartment recently and just sort of had other issues. I haven't really had time to do as much research on tiny houses in New Zealand and what the legal differences are with just you know because it's everything's a little bit different here so I'm not as up to speed actually on what it would take if I were to

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Alek Lisefski: do this again but it's just like currently I live in Auckland it's a big city there's there's really no if I want to be anywhere close to work, there's really no opportunity for me to park a tiny house anywhere nearby. So if it happens, it'll happen somewhere down the line when I maybe am back to doing freelance work from home or something I have more flexibility So who knows but I hope to stay connected because it's something I'm still really Interested in even though I can't say that I currently live in a tiny house anymore.

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Ethan Waldman: And I don't think that you have to live in a tiny house to continue to have something to offer and to share. I mean your your website is still an amazing resource and the plans for your house are still awesome and beautiful and you know available for people to get and use.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, yeah and I still just actually maybe just as much as ever I still love kind of helping people and answering questions and because I think most people would say this is true, going through the experience of really every step of the process from designing and building and moving, traveling, towing and the legal amplifications and everything just all of that. Having that knowledge is it is a resource for you know, for other people and part of the fun of going through that is to be able to share it. And I really, I miss that actually. I

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Alek Lisefski: really like to be able to help other people through this process and to sort of inspire them. So yeah, I'm more than happy to continue and just sort of offer what I do through my website and also hopefully take place and take part in some more maybe local tiny house things and get connected here as well. But that's the beauty of it is like I said before, the impact that living in a tiny house has on your life isn't just confined to the house and it's the same thing. Once you've gone through this process and once

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Alek Lisefski: you've learned the lessons, then obviously that sticks with you for life. So it's not like it's just gonna end because I had to sell my house.

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Ethan Waldman: What are some ways that you continue to live the tiny lifestyle even though you're not in a tiny house?

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Alek Lisefski: Well to be honest my life's in a lot of ways is still really similar. I live in a really small 1 bedroom apartment. Actually, my partner and I, we used to live in a studio, which we had to move because the owner sold it. And that was bigger than a tiny house, but very small. And the new apartment is very small. So I still like and seek out smaller spaces. And in a way, it's kind of like recreating what I had before, because I did love living in the tiny house. We have this little outdoor patio

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Alek Lisefski: area, which is kind of the same as having the deck with the shaded deck on the tiny house and everything. So I think it's more about living simply. I mean, the exact size and the configuration of it, obviously could change. And I'm in more of an urban environment now so just the options and you know everything is a little bit different but I think it's just I my shopping habits are the same I don't buy things I don't need. Everything's pretty simple. You know, my financial habits are the same. I pretty much spend most of my

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Alek Lisefski: money on food and travel and not really other possessions that, you know, that I don't really need. So again those lessons are that I've learned and sort of the lifestyle that I created living in the tiny house hasn't really changed at all other than just just some other smaller differences like the exact details of my job and commuting. I commute by a little Vespa scooter now. I'm kind of like trying to keep things small and simple. So we have 1 car that we share. We don't have anything really extravagant. And so living within your means and

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Alek Lisefski: saving money and sort of keeping things simple, that's all the same. It hasn't really changed. It's just the house is a little bit different configuration now.

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Ethan Waldman: That's so great. And it's such a nice reminder for those who are not yet living tiny, who are kind of pining for it. And I know that I pined for it before I built mine. It like you, it was kind of, I got it into my head and I just could not let it go and it became my sole focus and goal.

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Alek Lisefski: Isn't it crazy how that happens? Like what is it about tiny houses that can really hook you that deeply?

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Ethan Waldman: I think it's just that we see these benefits like the financial freedom, the minimalism, the ability to potentially work from home and you know maybe I can have my own business if my expenses aren't so high. I think we see those things and we see the house as a way of getting there, but I think in a way what you just said kind of goes to show that you don't actually need the tiny house to start embodying the tiny house lifestyle. And of course, I don't want to say like anyone can do this because people do

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Ethan Waldman: have existing mortgages and they do have debt and they do have all kinds of things that are maybe preventing them from living that way. But the house isn't necessarily the savior that's going to make that happen.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, and you have to approach it from a really practical point of view, too, because if you do live in a city and you need to be somewhere for work or whatever, maybe trying to force it and build a tiny house and sort of struggle with where to park it, maybe that isn't the best timing. I mean, you could live in a lot of the same ways and not actually live in a tiny house on wheels. You could live in a small studio apartment and reap all similar benefits that you would from a tiny house and

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Alek Lisefski: sort of structure your life the same way. So again, the actual 4 walls and the roof aren't that important, it's more about everything else. And Tiny houses, I think because they're charming and cute and like really cool and trendy. And it's a really easy place to go and say that's perfect. That's what I want. But you can take you can get 9 tenths of the way there by restructuring other parts of your life that have nothing to do with the actual house.

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Ethan Waldman: So 1 thing that I like to ask all of my guests are, what are 3 books or movies or resources that inspired you along your tiny house journey that you'd like to share with others?

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Alek Lisefski: Oh, wow. Okay, so, you know, none of the books and movies and resources that exist now existed when I started. Well, a few of them did. Some of the inspirations for me, well, Dee Williams was an inspiration and the way that I got started was I took a pad workshop in Portland, just a 1 day workshop. And her resources like GoHouseGo, I think the little book was 1 of them. And that was really a cool introduction into the tiny house community as well and seeing other people embracing that lifestyle and Portland at the time was and

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Alek Lisefski: still is you know sort of 1 of the the hubs so that was an inspiration there were no TV shows there were no movies the 1 of my original inspirations was god I forget the owners names but the the proto house it was a sort of a little bit more traditional style house with a gabled roof, but it had this really nice white interior. And I liked the mix of materials and how open and beautiful it looked. And that was visually, that was an inspiration for me.

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Ethan Waldman: I believe that was Anne Holly.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, that sounds familiar.

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Ethan Waldman: And I loved that house too. That was kind of my inspiration. I took a lot of design cues from that house.

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Alek Lisefski: Yeah, yeah I think at the time it was definitely 1 of the kind of most amazing examples that was out there that you could find on the internet. This was you know so I built my house in 2013, so I was researching like late 2012. So this, you know, it's a lot's changed in that time. But that still is, yeah, a beautiful house, beautiful example. I remember emailing her, I think, some questions and I almost got to go see the house but I wasn't able to but that was an inspiration for sure. God is there a

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Alek Lisefski: third 1 that I can think of? Well I mean Jay Schaeffer was an inspiration for other reasons, just because he's like a unique guy. And I liked his sort of rebellious attitude And like the way he sort of chose to live in a tiny house because of other reasons like financial and all the other reasons, but also just because because you kind of weren't supposed to like it wasn't allowed and it was new and different and something that an art student would do. Like it just, it was kind of like a cool perspective and he's a

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Alek Lisefski: quirky guy. And so I definitely found some inspiration in that as well. So this was like, you know, these like, you know, D and J are so old school now. And a lot of people don't even know about them because they've had so many other more. Big time, like tiny house people that are on TV and everything that they've seen. But yeah, those, those, those 2 were, were really my inspiration.

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Ethan Waldman: Nice. Well, Alek Lisefski, thank you so much for talking today.

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Alek Lisefski: It's been an absolute pleasure. I enjoyed it a lot. Thank you.

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